Chad Westport is one of the nicest guys in cannabis today. The host of several cannabis related podcasts and YouTube shows, he is well versed in all aspects of cannabis and readily shares his knowledge with his audience. His latest project, the Dope History podcast has he and creator Tad Hussey, telling the stories of the people who made the sacrifices necessary for our current day acceptance of cannabis. This Faces of Cannabis episode, I’m joined by my good friends Chase, aka Temple Grower and Irish Green Beard, making for a fun conversation amongst cannabis enthusiasts.
Links for Chad Westport episode:
- Chad Westport – @chadwestport
- Green Beard Grows on Youtube, @greenbeard_grows on Instagram
- Chase, aka Temple Grower on Youtube, @templegrower on Instagram, Twitter
- High on Homegrown podcast
- podcast tips from chad
- have content in the bank
- Tad Hussey – KIS Organics
- Tommy Chong – reps the best stoner stereotype
- Wolf Seagle – Farmer In The Sky – Chad’s standout episode – inventor of screen of green
- Chad’s cannabis hero – Danny Danko – Grow Bud Yourself podcast
- Green Beard cannabis hero – Mary Jane Ratburn aka Brownie Mary, Martin Condon of Martin’s World
- TG cannabis hero – Breeder Steve
- Chad loves classical music, walks on the beach, Tchaikovksy, Mozart
- Stutz Documentary – change, uncertainty, constant work
That’s it for this week friends. Please email me any questions, comments, pictures of your creations or anything else, I love hearing from listeners! Direct messages to [email protected] or the podcast hotline.
The Bite Me Cannabis Club [00:00:01]
Introducing the Bite Me Cannabis Club, an inclusive online space for cannabis lovers with workshops, Q&A, recipes, and more.
Introduction of Chad Westport [00:01:27]
Chad Westport, cannabis enthusiast and educator, discusses his projects and interests in the cannabis industry.
Discussion about Dope History podcast [00:08:11]
Chad talks about his passion project, Dope History, which chronicles the stories of pioneers in the cannabis industry.
The history of cannabis [00:12:58]
Chad Westport discusses the history of cannabis, including underground history, legalization, and the struggles faced by cannabis enthusiasts.
Preserving cannabis history [00:13:43]
Chad Westport emphasizes the importance of preserving cannabis history, including the stories of pioneers like Wolf Siegel and the techniques they invented.
Cannabis heroes [00:19:38]
Chase talks about the difficulty of choosing a cannabis hero and highlights the importance of those who have contributed to the history and preservation of cannabis.
Soil biology and gardening [00:23:33]
Chad discusses the importance of understanding soil biology and how it affects plant growth.
Learning Korean natural farming [00:25:52]
Green Beard expresses his interest in learning Korean natural farming techniques and mentions wanting to meet Chris, an expert in the field.
Challenges in the cannabis industry [00:28:24]
Chad talks about the challenges faced in the cannabis industry, including the difficulty of obtaining a medical card and the negative impact of changing regulations.
The struggle for medical legalization [00:35:30]
Discussion about the limited access to medical cannabis in Ireland and the high prices patients have to pay.
Chad’s parents’ perception of his work [00:36:29]
Chad talks about how his parents view his career in the cannabis industry and their limited knowledge about it.
Breaking the lazy stoner stereotype [00:40:53]
The hosts and guests discuss the persistent stereotype of cannabis users being lazy and unproductive, and how it doesn’t reflect the reality of many hardworking cannabis users.
The conversation about smoking weed and productivity [00:46:33]
Discussion about the misconception that smoking weed makes people unproductive and the need to change the stigma.
The worst advice in cannabis growing [00:49:19]
Discussion about the worst advice given in cannabis growing, including the importance of understanding that it depends on various factors.
Predictions for the cannabis industry in the next five years [00:55:00]
Discussion about the future of the cannabis industry, including the possibility of federal legalization in the United States and the global market opening up.
Chad’s sentiment on the craft aspect of the industry [00:58:28]
Discussion on the desire for legitimacy and classic genetics in the cannabis market.
Expectation of a more medical system in Ireland [01:00:42]
Prediction of a future medical system in Ireland, including home grow and a citizens assembly.
Maya Angelou’s quote on how people remember feelings [01:06:19]
Discussion on the importance of how interactions make people feel and the impact it has on memories.
01:09:10 – Life’s a Garden [01:09:10]
Discussion about the movie “Joe Dirt” and the quote “You gotta keep on keeping on” from the Steve Miller Band. Talks about the constant suffering and pain in life and how everyone goes through it.
01:10:07 – Symbolism and Breeding [01:10:07]
Explains the symbolism of the squared circle in hermetic mysticism and the concept of “as above, so below.” Discusses the importance of breeding cannabis strains that one personally likes, rather than following trends.
01:11:24 – Exciting Projects [01:11:24]
Chad discusses his upcoming projects, including Season 2 of the Dope History podcast and restarting his home grow show. Talks about his passion for genetics and helping new growers.
Marge (00:00:01) - Introducing the Bite Me Cannabis Club. The Bite Me Cannabis Club aims to be an inclusive online space for cannabis lovers. Whether you're simply curious about how cannabis can improve your life or you're fully seasoned, there's always more to learn when you join the Bite Me Cannabis Club, you'll have access to like minded people interested in cannabis, monthly workshops, live Q&A recipes and recipe swaps, digital cookbooks, a fully functional chat feature, and a whole lot more. For a limited time. It's only $5 a month with a 30 day free trial, so you can try it out and see if it's right for you. This isn't just another Facebook group or confusing Discord Channel. I carefully chose a platform that offers a clear, uncluttered and seamless community experience. See for yourself. Join today. Say hello. I can't wait to connect with you there. Join the Bite Me Cannabis Club Today link in your podcast app. Welcome to the Phases of Cannabis Interview series, where we take a break from talking about edibles and focus on the people behind the plant, whether it's fellow podcasters, bud tenders, gangsters, advocates, cultivators, cannabis lovers all have their stories to share, and I want to share them with you.
Marge (00:01:27) - In this week's episode, I am joined by Chad Westport, a cannabis enthusiast and educator. He's the creative director at the Dope History Podcast and show host at the Future Cannabis Project. I'm also joined by my good friends Chase, otherwise known as Temple Grower and Green Beard. Now, I am going to warn you, there's a little bit of a blip in the audio. Somewhere near the beginning, I forget where exactly where Chase isn't able to get in on the call at the beginning, and he comes in a little later, but we remedy that relatively quickly. So just apologies for that. Not so stellar audio in that particular moment. But this is a fun and interesting conversation where we really delve into what Chad has been up to, the projects he's working on and what lights him up. Enjoy this conversation with Chad Chase and Green Beard. All right, everyone, you are here with Bite Me, the show about edibles. And I have two guests today. I have green beard from Ireland and I have Chad Westport from California, I believe.
Marge (00:02:29) - Right.
Chad (00:02:31) - West Coast and Washington Post. Oh, okay.
Marge (00:02:33) - I was a little off. I knew you were Pacific Time. So you're on that side of the world. Yeah.
Chad (00:02:39) - The beard and the long hair. I get California pretty often. Right? Right.
Marge (00:02:43) - Fair enough. Fair enough. So I was just hoping that you could both introduce yourselves to the listeners of Bite Me before We get started today.
Chad (00:02:51) - And how is everyone? How is everyone getting on? It's green beard here from green beard. Gross And coming to you from the Emerald Oil over in Ireland. Hey, everybody. Chad Westport here. Stoked to be with you guys today. Thanks for having me. Mark.
Marge (00:03:09) - Yeah, I am super excited to have you both here. JB You and I first met on the Hiren Homegrown podcast, as did you and I. Chad And then I had the privilege of being on your show. I think it was the Friendly Cannabis Project with Manny, who later became a guest of my own on this show too.
Marge (00:03:26) - So I was just hoping you could tell the audience a bit about what it is that you're doing because you are doing a lot of exciting stuff in the cannabis space.
Chad (00:03:33) - Well, thank you. Yeah, and it was fun having you on the show. And that was actually I believe that was our introductory episode, so it got off to a good start. Yes. And that was so the things that I currently am working on and that was on the Future Cannabis Project Channel. So Future Cannabis Project is where I tend to do a lot of long format shows, talk with leading breeders, leading growers, scientists and just people all around the industry. More on the kind of the commercial side. A lot of it is, you know, there's hobbyists involved, a lot of the craft cannabis, so small scale but still bigger than the bedroom. So the future cannabis project, that's what I do over there. I also have my own YouTube channel, just Chad Westport, and that's where I like to do a lot of my shorter form content, and I like to dispense growing education, kind of aimed at getting people growing.
Chad (00:04:35) - There's a lot of different ways to do it. A lot of people have their must be done this way. The answer truly is it always is. It depends, right? Depends on your environment, depends on your budget, depends on the amount of time you have. So over there, yeah, I like to kind of give out some some homegrown information. Also, I do some writing for seeds, do a lot of the unglamorous product descriptions, copy stuff for the website. But I also do get some articles on my under my own name up on the blog. And the most recent one was plant training tips to increase yield. So again, just trying to spread some growing knowledge. And then the last project that I have been working on is dope history, which is really fun.
Marge (00:05:28) - Yeah. So how did you come to have this dream job in the cannabis industry?
Chad (00:05:34) - Just kind of being around a lot of hard work. I have an audio engineering background, so I'm used to working with audio, working with video, putting them together.
Chad (00:05:44) - Also, I was a DJ for many, many years. Okay, You got to learn how to promote yourself. You know, build a flyer, you know, get your name out there, get the logo out there. So those are, those have kind of helped me, um, just keep pushing forward, really. It's tenacity. You know, if you really love something and you're into it, you're going to do it whether nobody is looking or not, right? Luckily for me, people have started looking and I'm just continuing to roll with it, right?
Marge (00:06:17) - Yeah. So did it take a while for things to really get rolling? Because I mean, like my like you, I'm an audio file, which is why I was attracted to podcasting in the first place. But I have found the consistency really is what keeps me going. It helps me stay on track. And then your listeners also know that there's something new to expect each and every week or whenever you're putting out new content.
Chad (00:06:38) - Absolutely.
Chad (00:06:39) - And that's one thing with any social media or any company product person logo is that consistency. And I learned a decade ago I did the social media for an audio company that I worked for. Now, just because I did it ten years ago doesn't mean I understand it today. It is such a rapidly evolving beast. Yeah, but I did learn that, you know, you need to be frequent. There is nothing worse than a page that you go to and that hasn't had a post for like six months. Right? Right. This is person care, but it's also a commitment. You know, you got to put out content, which is time. You got to think of these things ahead. So probably my biggest piece of advice for anybody, like thinking of doing this, try to have a month or two of stuff in the bank because there's going to be, Oh, I was sick this week or oh, something unexpected came up and you're not going to have time to make that content. So do yourself a favor bank a little bit, right?
Marge (00:07:40) - That's great advice.
Marge (00:07:41) - Along with setting like a regular schedule, like you said, I don't know if you've heard of that term pod fade, which is basically when somebody's so excited and they start a new podcast and then they put out their first ten and then they start coming out slower and slower and then next thing you know, they just drift off into the ether of podcasting. That's obviously. Not your problem because you just started a new podcast, Dope History. And I would love if you would take a few minutes and talk about that. I have heard a few episodes already and they're fantastic.
Chad (00:08:11) - Oh, thank you. Yeah, absolutely. My pleasure. This is it's been a passion project. It's been a fun one. It's something that I jumped in on kind of late, but also at the ground floor. And what I mean by that is Tadd Huss from Kiss Organics had started this a couple of years ago, actually, when he was able to speak with some other people in the industry. We all felt it was important to, you know, chronicle a lot of these stories because people are getting older.
Chad (00:08:46) - You know, some of these people are in their 70s getting towards 80, and we're not going to have that history. So Dad said out and talked with a few people and he had these interviews just kind of sitting there for, like I said, two years wasn't really able to do anything creatively as far as organizing them into episodes. And he had just kind of put out a random call on Instagram, said, I'm looking for an audio engineer. Well, I'm an audio engineer. I love this subject. And little did he remember, we played baseball in Little League together. So that was kind of a yeah, that was kind of an easy thing for me. I'm like, Hey, man, you remember the Yankees and you remember this? And he's like, Whoa, yeah.
Marge (00:09:32) - So Little League baseball brings you both together. That's pretty interesting.
Chad (00:09:38) - Yeah. So and then so then we started working together and I took he had four episodes at the time and he just gave me all the raw audio.
Chad (00:09:47) - So I listened to it, I transcribed it. I kind of put it in a sensical order. I wrote some narrations for it. We worked with our partner Chris, who created some music, and he actually does all the master for it. I did. I do all the arranging, so I'm like somebody else. Do the mastering, please. Yeah. And then.
Marge (00:10:11) - Transcripts. That's a big job too.
Chad (00:10:13) - Yeah, It's years. Yeah, it is. But it helps me look at two hours of audio and be like, okay, well, something they said at 45 minutes completely ties in with something they said at 13 minutes. So then it's just moving stuff around. Those turned out pretty good. He was stoked with them. We're like, All right, let's you know, the first season was really about pioneers. We have to start it off. We had Kimberly Connolly, Adam Connolly sharing French's story, Keith Strop, who was the founder of Normal OG, Eddie LEP, who passed away a couple of years ago.
Chad (00:10:51) - So it was actually a real treat to revisit his audio and his thoughts and perspectives and put that all out together and a couple more. Tom Alexander He was Operation Green Merchant. People might not know that, just Google Operation Green Merchant, you'll be fascinated. And we got the regular killers, you know, Ed Rosenthal, Jorge Cervantes and the final episode, which will be coming out soon. Tommy Chong Oh, nice.
Marge (00:11:19) - Yeah, everyone's everyone's favorite.
Chad (00:11:21) - Stoner Yeah, I know, right? It's kind of crazy how he really defined the stoner stereotype.
Marge (00:11:28) - Yeah, I know. He's such a I mean, if you're going to have a stoner stereotype, it should be him, because I find him to be pretty genuine and very kind. Kind with his time and huge.
Chad (00:11:39) - Hugely, like if you have the right phone number. You can arrange to talk to him pretty much any time. He doesn't care who you are, how big your show is. He's like, Yeah, let's talk. And for a person of that, you know, in that demand and of that stature, what a cool freaking guy.
Marge (00:11:58) - Yeah. And it's pretty interesting about him, too, because I remember in high school I had a boyfriend and his parents had the old Cheech and Chong records kicking around. And then, of course, I have kids that are in their early 20s and they know him from that 70 show. And then, as he's mentioned before, like Dancing with the Stars, like he's kind of like spans all these generations and it's pretty cool. But as far as the people that you've had the opportunity to listen to the audio and interview. Has there been anyone that's been a real standout for you?
Chad (00:12:29) - Wow. I mean, if you had to.
Marge (00:12:30) - Pick one, which I know not a nice question, but.
Chad (00:12:34) - Well, they've all they've all been, you know, really cool. It's like I've all learned something from each episode and I've related to something in each episode. But the one we released the other week, Episode six with Wolf Siegel, Um, he's also known as Farmer in the Sky. That one probably hit home most because we did things in the same area.
Chad (00:12:58) - He was I mean, 20, 30 years before me. But one of his stories is, you know, at 13, you know, I used to sell kids on the Ave. I'm like, Well, that's funny. And it was like 69. He's like, I used to sell kids on the AV. I'm like, Well, that's funny because in 99 I was buying eights on the AV. Right.
Marge (00:13:16) - That's pretty interesting. So maybe crossed paths at one point.
Chad (00:13:20) - Yeah, there's there's a lot of history and a lot of underground history here because it was illegal and now you're like, Oh, that makes sense, right?
Marge (00:13:30) - Yeah. So why do you feel like it's important to bring this history? I mean, things are changing so quickly with legalization in so many places, and you're bringing sort of these untold stories in a lot of ways to people who may have no idea who any of these people are.
Chad (00:13:43) - So, yeah, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, the younger generation doesn't know who some of these people are, but they use like, again, we'll see.
Chad (00:13:52) - Eagle Perfect example. He invented like Sea of Green. He invented screen of green things that are just common techniques, right? Things that we just use as commonplace came from this guy. Like he you know, he invented it, I guess, for lack of a better term. So preserving that history, but also with legalization, I don't think people understand the struggle, what it was really like, the measures that you had to go through to stay safe, to be, you know, clean and the risks people took. And it's you know, it's kind of exciting. It's fun to live vicariously through some of these stories. But when you you know, in the United States, at least, when you can walk into a dispensary and, you know, you've got a freaking menu the mile long, you don't understand the you got some or you don't got some.
Marge (00:14:45) - Right. Right. And you're just buying whatever you're given. And I do remember when I was very young, uh, thinking all these weed names people come up with, it's all bullshit.
Marge (00:14:56) - I did think that at one point in my life, Now I know better, of course. But the kids these days, they don't know how good they have it, obviously. So.
Chad (00:15:04) - Well, yeah, for. For many years there was no name, you know? And then the first names you started to hear were coincidentally the or the names in the Cypress Hill songs. So you're like, Is it really this or is, you know, what is it?
Marge (00:15:15) - Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now I'm just going to take a second to say hello to to Chase because I think he's back in. We had some technical. Yes, it sounds like it were some technical difficulties at the beginning. So no.
Green Beard (00:15:31) - It did a little, uh, you know, speaking with like an old friend of mine named.
Chad (00:15:35) - Okay.
Marge (00:15:37) - Well, I'm glad. I'm glad he came through.
Green Beard (00:15:39) - I don't know. I don't know what was going on, you know?
Marge (00:15:42) - Yeah, technical stuff always, always gets you in the end.
Marge (00:15:44) - But. So now I could probably turn this to all of you, actually. I mean, you've all had the opportunity to talk to a lot of interesting people through the course of the last several years doing what you're doing. Who would your cannabis hero be and will you be able to have him on your new podcast yet? That's another question.
Chad (00:16:04) - You know what? I hope so. It is a person that I actually got to interview this last year, uh, on the Friendly Cannabis Show, it was Danny Danko. Oh, nice. Danny Daniels kind of rose to fame through high times. He was a senior editor in chief over there. But he also seven, eight years ago had a grow show called Free Weed. It's now Grow Bud yourself, but it was called Free Weed then, right? And that was like one of the first regular cannabis podcasts that I listened to. And I would write, you know, I would write them letters, I would send them email and, you know, maybe every 5 or 6 episodes he'd answer my question or he'd, you know, read my letter.
Chad (00:16:52) - And I'm just like, That's the coolest thing. So he's had a really good demeanor and he's always focused on home grow and new growers. And from having done some like tech support for software, um, it gets old answering the same question every day, right? Years on end, same question. And he is one of those people who is able to do that. You know, I'm not trying to like pigeonholed him. He's got a vast array of knowledge, but his real focus is that new grower. So. Is it time to harvest yet? Can you answer that for ten years in a row? He has, and he still does it with a smile and a great attitude. So I love him for it. And yeah, that was that was my hero.
Marge (00:17:38) - That's that's a great answer. And will he be appearing on your show at any point or you're still.
Chad (00:17:43) - I hope so. Yes. I hope so. I have the channels to reach out to him. We're trying to organize season two right now, which is going to have a focus on breeders and history of some of these older lines.
Chad (00:17:57) - But yeah, absolutely. He fits into the fits into the mold there. I'd love to have him on.
Marge (00:18:02) - Yeah, that would be awesome. Now, what about you too, JB Chase? Do you have any cannabis heroes that you think are worthy of mention right now?
Green Beard (00:18:11) - I have.
Marge (00:18:12) - I should have. I should have said to him for one of you to go first. But.
Green Beard (00:18:17) - Now. You can go ahead. You've got to say I have I have many, many kind of heroes. And but Mary Jane Rayburn would be probably be my biggest one over in the States. You know, she's just an amazing, amazing lady. I would love love to be able to go back in time and have a conversation with her. And then over over European side is is our good friend, my good friend Martin Condon, you know, from our world, you know, he was in in court again today for his protests. He was convicted. He's out of appeals now. You know, he was in yesterday.
Green Beard (00:19:03) - This was he walked into a Garda station, a police station over here and Valentine's Day last year and gave them a plant, just a very small little plant. And he was giving them some flower. And yeah, that's what he was he was done for. You know, he's getting he got them for cultivation.
Marge (00:19:24) - Very nice. That's pretty badass. Shout out to Martin for that big.
Green Beard (00:19:28) - Shout out to Martin. He's a fucking legend.
Marge (00:19:30) - Pushing the envelope. Pushing the envelope for sure. What about you, Chase? Who's your cannabis hero?
Chase (00:19:38) - Yeah.
Green Beard (00:19:39) - You know, that's a super hard question for obvious reasons, But like, you know, lately I've been into the, into the history and weed nerding thing like, like Chad was talking about before, you know, getting like the real story out there kind of thing. And it's really tough to pick one person, you know, because there's been so many people that have done what nobody else kind of was doing back then, whether it's like, you know, on Breeders Syndicate, they're talking with Raul and Maggie.
Green Beard (00:20:11) - There's like a breeder, Steve up here and the whole, you know, Vancouver crew. There was everybody out in eastern Canada, you know, bringing all the hash and shit in. So, like, for me, it's I don't know. I mean. Everybody that's that did that and that got us to to where we are now and is and realistically is still doing it now because like with corporatization, we all know the metrics of the market are kind of fucky. They're skewed by people who don't really know what you know, like. Like, it's not that they don't know what's good, it's just what like, what we've been what we've been doing for so many years is just being pushed aside for, for money now and stuff and big corporate interests. So anybody that's kind of still keeping the old, old school stuff alive and and, you know, allowing it to proliferate the archivists and all that kind of stuff, I think that's super, super important. More than ever in this day and age with not only with, you know, the legalization, but like globalization of cannabis to all these places that haven't had the American genetics and all the cookies and the gelatos and things infused, now they are.
Green Beard (00:21:32) - And we're losing old school stuff in Thailand and in, you know, in in India and things like this. So I don't know. I mean. Yeah, I guess. If I have to name a name, I don't know why, but like breeder Steve comes to mind right now because he's just a big inspiration to me in everything he does, and he's a super active everywhere in the world, it seems like in cannabis right now. So just, you know, as an inspiration to what could be done in cannabis and what can be, I'll name breeder Steve, But overall it's just, yeah, everybody that's, you know, keeping on, keeping on and um, and yeah.
Marge (00:22:13) - Keeping I like that breeder Steve is a great answer and I think I saw him posting somewhere recently. He's in the Caribbean right now living life and enjoying everything. He got the hell out of Canada now that it's pretty cold, but he did pick the right time. But yeah, he'd be a very interesting, Yeah person to talk about his history as well.
Marge (00:22:32) - And you know they say, what's that saying? I just had it in my head a second ago. Those who don't know their history, of course, are doomed to repeat it. So, you know, knowing the history is is important. Like you said, because there's a lot of people out there that just don't know where all this is come from. And they walk into his dispensary, like you said, and they just pick up whatever they want. I saw a video somewhere recently of a couple of kids being asked by their parents how to use a rotary dial phone and they had no fucking clue. It it was it was funny. But, you know, it's that's the history of technology in a way, too, right? So yeah, I think the podcast is I can understand why it's been really well received. Now, of course, you've had so many interesting people to talk to through this podcast and again through your other shows that you're doing. If you are sitting next to an expert in your field.
Marge (00:23:25) - What would you ask them? And I asked this because I know for myself, I'm a lifelong learner and there's always more to learn.
Chad (00:23:33) - But and that's one of the beauties about gardening and growing, you know, even if you know cannabis, you've mastered go, go grow some peppers, right? If I was sitting next to somebody, though, it would it would probably be about soil biology, the microbes rhizosphere how everything really works under the soil. Now, that said, the experts already admit we know like less than 5% of what exists in the soil. But we also have a lot of theories of how things work. And it would be interesting to really drive down on some of those topics with somebody who knows the science behind it and can tell me the why. You know, audio engineering. I did go to school for it. I was already making music. It was already sounding good, but I wanted to know the why behind when I turn this knob that much it sounds this way, or if I turn it a little more, it sounds that way, right? And so that's what I want to learn to about soil and the biology down there because I'm growing pretty good.
Chad (00:24:45) - But if I know why certain things do what they do, I might be able to tweak it a little bit better.
Marge (00:24:52) - Right? That's a great answer. And it just so happens that Chase knows quite a bit about soil biology, so perhaps you two should talk after the show. So maybe you are sitting next to an expert in that that you could talk to. And I know you're being modest. So, Chase, I know you're being modest, but.
Green Beard (00:25:10) - Well, my my background is geology and I'm a, I guess, a well studied but not classically trained soil guy. But yeah, exactly. Like Chad said, you know, we don't I know what I know. And it seems to work. But you know, to be able to really fundamentally like I don't know, it sounds dumb, but maybe like ask the microbes what they need right now and then you can give it to them. But you know, by proxy. But just, you know, you look at the way the plants acting and stuff and you add what you need, but like when you get to that level, then, yeah, there's, there's no stopping.
Green Beard (00:25:41) - Right. You can do.
Marge (00:25:42) - Yeah. So that's a great answer. What about you too? GB Well, if you could ask any expert in your field, what would you ask them?
Green Beard (00:25:52) - I would love to learn can f properly.
Marge (00:25:58) - The Korean natural farming. Those listening that aren't familiar.
Green Beard (00:26:02) - No, I would I would love to be able to sit down with them. Oh, my God. His name has just escaped me. You said it. So Chris Yes. And I would love to sit down with Chris. He's actually coming here to Ireland this year, this summer. So if I'm still here and if I'm not in Canada and hopefully I might be able to actually link up and have a chat with him, I would love to learn learn all of that because I'm a cocoa guy. You know, I've I have gone into the soil and on occasion wasn't disastrous consequences but weren't great either, to be quite honest. You know, like I grow stellar plants in cocoa, but it's a very hard not to grow stellar plants when you're in cocoa, to be fair point.
Green Beard (00:26:55) - But. Yeah. Now, I'd love to. I would love to sit down and learn that properly. And, you know, I have dyslexia, so sitting down to read a book, it just it doesn't cope with me. And even to try and sit and like watch a video and stuff, I have to actually kind of for me personally to be sitting interacting with that person directly for me to further sink in and and everything. So yeah, I would love to.
Marge (00:27:26) - Well, I think you're actually in luck because I feel like some of these techniques, like Korean natural farming, are enjoying a resurgence in popularity. People are more interested in the outdoor grow and building soil and all that kind of thing. You're seeing that out of California, for sure, and terroir and all this kind of stuff. So it's a great time to be learning this type of stuff. So timing is everything, as they say. Yeah.
Green Beard (00:27:48) - For for also over here in Ireland, because we have such. Draconian fucking laws when it comes to cannabis and.
Green Beard (00:27:59) - It's just so hard, even even for to get to know know people in the community. People are very, very close. Yeah.
Marge (00:28:08) - You're definitely at a disadvantage to compared to the rest of us, that's for sure. But hopefully with the help of the likes of Martin Condon and his pushing of the envelope, that'll certainly change in the next few years.
Green Beard (00:28:20) - Oh, hopefully. Hopefully, because we're getting hammered.
Marge (00:28:24) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, have you had any particular challenges that you've had to overcome, Chad, while you've been doing any of the work that you're doing?
Chad (00:28:34) - You know, nothing extraordinary. You know, knock on wood, lucky for me, nothing super extraordinary or anything that stands out, really. Right?
Marge (00:28:45) - Timing is everything.
Chad (00:28:47) - Yeah, well, yeah, I've had my medical card. Washington in 2010 change the medical laws, so I was able to go in and get a card there, which is nice. And I've just kind of always had that protection. So that's taken some of the worry off of me.
Chad (00:29:07) - The state actually went legal in 2014, but you still can't home grow here. We're a weird state. Yeah, unless you have a medical card you can't home grow. So there's a reason why nobody references Washington when they talk about state cannabis programs.
Marge (00:29:23) - Right? Right. That is not something I would have known. So. So you have to have a medical card. Is it difficult to get a medical card then?
Chad (00:29:32) - Nowadays? Yes. That changed with the the recreational or adult use laws. It was easy in the medical days and unfortunately, it was too easy, which is why the medical system is gone as we know it. It got to a point of just pure profiteering. If you have $200 in a hangnail, guess what? Medical card.
Marge (00:29:55) - Right? Yeah, I think that's a pretty common problem, actually. Yeah, it has been before. Yeah. You know, sniffle, sniffle and. Oh, you just need a half ounce of weed or whatever.
Green Beard (00:30:06) - It's pretty like that here.
Chad (00:30:08) - It's frustrating, man. And it's something that I talk with people in new places where they're talking about rec programs. Michigan's going through this right now, but again, the medical system as it was, does not exist anymore. And it took a lot of good things for patients and people who legitimately need this and threw it out the window for the sake of marketing and stores. So yeah.
Marge (00:30:37) - For retail.
Chad (00:30:37) - System that you wish for.
Marge (00:30:39) - Yeah, yeah, I've heard that a lot. In fact, I think I remember Brother Steve talking about the same thing when, when he was on this show too. So.
Green Beard (00:30:46) - That's what I am worried about. They just did this rehash of the regulations here. Right. And one of the questions on that big survey everybody could do is, do you think we need to continue the medical marijuana programming? It's like, what do you mean?
Chad (00:31:00) - Yeah, it was it's medical, unfortunately, was the Trojan horse through which these companies got into the game.
Marge (00:31:09) - Yeah. Yeah, that's.
Marge (00:31:11) - That's pretty tough. And have you had to overcome any challenges yourself? I mean, you're living obviously in a prohibition area, so that's going to be a challenge in and of itself.
Green Beard (00:31:20) - Yeah, I had to move counties to to in order to get a place that was safe enough for me that I was safe enough that I was going to be able to grow and not growing at the minute now. But that's for a different reason. Again, this safety concern and that's that's the problem. Like we had a member of of staff embezzled an awful lot of money and and because of that, I am terrified that their things are going to come to me, you know, So therefore, I had to break down the whole group I haven't been able to grow for. Jeez, we're going on about four months now.
Marge (00:32:04) - Right. Through no fault of your own. Shady employee Yeah.
Green Beard (00:32:08) - And then it's like every time before we I grew, if any, like, normal person even like I have. I know people that are medical patients.
Green Beard (00:32:18) - They're not medical patients. They consume for medical reasons. Very. And but they're buying their weed off some fucking dodgy dude down the back alley, you know, in a car park. And that's it's not like you go to a dealer over in the States or in Canada where you sit down and you, you smoke a J with them and have a chit chat and thing. It's no.
Chad (00:32:41) - Like.
Green Beard (00:32:42) - Your money is thrown at them. The weed is prone at you on your gun like it's a two second interaction, right? And then you don't know the quality of cannabis you're getting. You know, you're told it's this, it's something else. You know, it could be moldy. It could be because God knows what way it's being stored, you know, like these some of the people that are selling their I wouldn't even call them the cleanest or the most hygienic people say, So God knows what you're putting into your body when you deal with some of these, you know.
Marge (00:33:18) - Especially to when, as you say, there's no like interaction with this dealer or anything like like you said here, I've always enjoyed, you know, sitting down and shooting the shit for a bit and then you go on your way.
Marge (00:33:27) - But that does give you the ability to open the bag and smell it and look at it and you know something's amiss. You can be like, What the fuck is this?
Green Beard (00:33:37) - I have five Oxo cubes. In the past that was meant to be fucking hash.
Marge (00:33:43) - I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at you.
Green Beard (00:33:44) - Oh, you know, seriously, it's. Yeah. Same with so much stuff. Yo, you get like I know somebody that was sold a fucking CBD weed. Now is is a big thing, you know, like people will sell CBD weed and say it's it's, it's cookies you know or it's it's lotto or it's fucking wedding cake or something. It might be wedding cakes but it's just.
Green Beard (00:34:10) - You know, that's a dog that they used to get that they call it.
Green Beard (00:34:14) - Yeah I heard that. Did you today. Right.
Green Beard (00:34:18) - It's funny. It's fucking funny that you mentioned that whole chit chat with your dealer because like, I literally did that last night with the with my. Well, one of my buddies.
Green Beard (00:34:28) - But he's a Yeah. They run a like a gray market thing and came by and we were like chatted for 45 minutes I gave him some of my weed. They give me their shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marge (00:34:41) - Well, that's a nice way to do it. That's the friendly Canadian way to to buy cannabis.
Green Beard (00:34:45) - Hopefully it will change. Yes, you know, hopefully it will. It's never been really the the friendly brandy dealer. It's this will be just a phone number that you have in the phone. It might not even be his name. You just send the message and you go, have you got to know have you got a Henry, Have you got a thing? I have cash if that makes it better, you know, because they actually answer you back quicker if they know it's not on tick, we're on cuff, as you call it. Yeah. Or, you know, but yeah, it's fucking. It's shitty over here, man. It really is.
Marge (00:35:20) - That sounds very foreign to me too, just because that sounds like how you would interact if you were buying like, I don't know, Coke or something like that.
Marge (00:35:27) - Like, you know, it just seems such a different vibe.
Green Beard (00:35:30) - It's the same people that sell it and yeah, and that's, that's what we have such the throwback in government and everything far against any form of legalization of medicinal. We have a medical program with like not even 60 people in out of 4 million, you know, 5 million people. So we don't have a medical program. You know, it's just some very, very lucky who are very, very, very sick people. Yeah. Had to fight very hard to get where they are, you know. Right. And and they they're charged extortionate prices, you know. Right. For them. Yeah, I had a fucking. I had a point. Sorry. And I'm gone.
Marge (00:36:13) - And that's okay.
Green Beard (00:36:15) - Smoking some really nice hash here.
Marge (00:36:18) - I'm glad to hear it. Now, something I'm always interested in hearing from people because, Chad, you've been doing this for a while. This new podcast is like in a series of a lot of great work that you've been doing.
Marge (00:36:29) - How would your parents describe what you do for a living?
Chad (00:36:33) - Man. I wish I could be open with them. Right. I'm not. We've had kind of like the CBD conversations. When I've interviewed Tommy Chong. I put a little picture up on my Facebook. So they saw that because my mom is like, Oh, it's the guy from Dancing with the.
Marge (00:36:50) - Stars, right?
Chad (00:36:51) - Um, but yeah, you know, we don't really talk about it and it kind of sucks because, you know, I've been into this for a long time before it was legal, and you just don't talk about those things with your parents. You always, you know, you want them. You want them. I don't know what, but you don't. My family, you don't talk about it now. They're just happy. It was it was my birthday the other day. My mom says, you know, how are you doing with, you know, your videos and you're writing. And I don't think she fully knows who I write for, even though I've told her since he seeds in Amsterdam, right? Yeah.
Chad (00:37:28) - I don't think she's made the connect, but she's just happy. If I'm happy these days. So that's usually how the conversation goes. But yeah, I did. I did share the Tommy Chong with them.
Marge (00:37:39) - Right. Well, that's, that's a little progress. So you haven't been able to convince them to like, eat any like low dose edibles or CBD anything or. No I do.
Chad (00:37:49) - Yeah. They're just not the that type of personality I think. And you know, they don't drink either. They're just kind of. Not straight edge, but, you know, they just they're into their own thing and do what they do. I did catch my dad, though. He had there's this product here called Dragonborn, which is a topical it's a roll on. Right. It has like 500mg of THC 300 to CBD. It's actually very effective. I enjoy it. I have it myself. But I saw that sitting on a shelf. And I knew that because in this state, if anything has THC in it, you have to go into a pot shop to get it.
Marge (00:38:29) - Oh really?
Chad (00:38:31) - I was like, so bad.
Marge (00:38:32) - What is this pot shop?
Chad (00:38:36) - And he's like, What? What?
Marge (00:38:37) - How did you know?
Chad (00:38:38) - I know.
Marge (00:38:40) - Did he have a good answer for you? Or he just sort of brushed it off a little bit?
Chad (00:38:43) - Yeah. No, he did. He had a good answer. He. He has problems with his knees and he has since had a complete knee replacement. So yeah, legit use. But the bright side is he's like it works and that kind of opened a conversation because again we've talked about CBD like I try to educate them if there was ever a point or an illness in their life where I thought it could benefit, then we're definitely having the conversation, right? But until it reaches that point, we just kind of live and let live, right?
Marge (00:39:15) - So they don't ask too many questions. It's like a don't ask, don't tell situation.
Chad (00:39:18) - Are you happy? Are you doing good? Great. That's all I need to know.
Marge (00:39:22) - That's perfect.
Marge (00:39:23) - Well, I mean, you get what you get, I suppose. My parents. I've had my dad on this show before. It was quite a while ago, but he is now in his early 90s, and when I was growing up he was like very anti weed. So was my mom. And then it went legal and he's just like, Well, it's legal now so I can grow four plants at his house and he doesn't care. He's not going to ever smoke a joint with me, but he will take some CBD edibles or topicals or oils, that kind of thing. But yeah, it's sort of a similar thing. It's just like, Well, how's the podcast going? And, and then we move on with the conversation. So as long as they're not, you know, I guess creating more challenges for you that you have to overcome, then that's, that's all you can ask for.
Chad (00:40:08) - Yeah. And I guess the important thing is to summarize my ramblings on that is I don't feel judged by them for what I do.
Chad (00:40:14) - Right. Which is nice.
Marge (00:40:16) - Yes, that's pretty important. And that does go to show like how far they've probably had to come to get to that point. I feel the same with my dad, even though he's just like, Oh, it's legal now. That is a real shift in in perspective because, you know, when you're in your 90s he definitely was went through that whole Reefer madness thing and where everybody's just like it's okay to smoke when you're pregnant, but weed will kill you and like, you know, all the bullshit we've heard over the years. So it's a real perspective change for anybody who's sort of had to deal with all that propaganda over the years.
Chad (00:40:47) - So if you're over 60 and you still have an open mind, kudos.
Marge (00:40:53) - Exactly. I would agree. Now, do you have any common misconceptions about your work?
Chad (00:40:59) - Yeah, I mean, excuse me. Yeah, just the almost kind of the reefer madness, the typical stoner. You're like, oh, you probably just sit around and eat pizza and play hacky sack all day and you never do anything and you're wasting your life.
Chad (00:41:17) - And dude, that is the farthest from the truth. I work hard. I work constantly. I'm trying to make my own path and my own way, but I'm stoned the entire time. I'm doing it right. So, you know, it's like the typical lazy stoner stereotype doesn't play in. And I'm sorry, I feel talkative today. There was one one of my favorite examples that just like sticks out and this was in our in my like late teens, me and a whole bunch of friends, We went camping and we're sitting around like the campfire and there was somebody like down the road, like shooting guns or doing something like It's the woods. There's not many people. So we're like, whatever. But the Ranger came through, fortunately, to investigate that person who they never found. But when he pulled up, we're all sitting around the campfire just like smoking this bong and weed was still illegal then. So of course, he, you know, takes the bong and proceeds to lecture us on how smoking pot will never get you anywhere.
Chad (00:42:19) - You'll never do anything. You're just going to be stuck in front of a TV and me being like the stoned teenager, I was like, Bro, we're outside right now. What are you talking about? Right?
Marge (00:42:30) - You're stuck in the trends. All right.
Chad (00:42:32) - Yeah. That guy was so brainwashed. And he did. He looked at me baffled for a second, and then he. He put it down. He. He let me know That wasn't funny, right?
Marge (00:42:40) - Of course he did. Yeah. It's funny that you mentioned the lazy stoner stereotype two, because I feel like despite all the progress we made, that's the one that still sticks so much. And if I've learned anything through doing this podcast or even before that is that, you know, cannabis users come from all walks of life. Yes. And. Sometimes the most surprising people are cannabis users. So and some of the hardest working people I know are cannabis users too. So that lazy stoner stereotype, why does it stick so much? Does anybody have an answer for that?
Green Beard (00:43:10) - I have no.
Green Beard (00:43:11) - Do you know why? It's because when you see I hate to say, but when you see young people and not just young people, people who only start consuming. They do be like goofballs. And it's like because that's the perception that they have that they go, Oh, when I smoke this, I should act like that because that's what they've seen portrayed on TVs and things like that. Well, that's that's my moist heart. You have to. You have to show production people who are productive, like you said, marriage. And like I had, I work 80 hours a week, you know, six, seven days, seven days a week, you know, And I was stoned, like Chad said, every every minute of it. No, I probably shouldn't have been because I won't say why. But professionalism stuff.
Green Beard (00:44:10) - I would I would argue it's outliers and like everything in you know, I'm not I'm not one of those people that's like the mainstream media. Yeah. Whatever. But you know, things get focused on in terms of themes, right? And lazy stoner stereotypes.
Green Beard (00:44:28) - If you find 100 stoners and 99 of them are not lazy and and the one guy is and that guy gets interviewed or whatever all the time or, you know, on the movies, like it's all of this fucking, you know, like, I love the movies and shit, but like, you know, stuff like, you know, Afro Man because they got high. I love that he did that because the original version was pretty fucking detrimental, right? So all of these things kind of, I think, just reinforce. And then the ones that are like JB said and Chad said, Stoned to the bone all day, like, like myself, you know, I'm I'm pretty sure I would dissolve any drug test that was put to me, you know. But like I like I work all day at a weed factory and I like I do, I do all this shit, right? And but I just don't stand out. That's the thing. And so you don't notice that I'm a stoner and lazy.
Green Beard (00:45:22) - I'm just a stoner. And so it's not beneficial to the anti crowd to, to point that out that, oh, he's actually got a degree and he works fucking, you know, 60 hours a week and runs a gro with fucking 25 plants and, and all this shit, you know, like we're all, we all do all kinds of things and we're smoking all the time. You know, I only.
Green Beard (00:45:46) - Had a conversation with a dude the other day that was very similar to, like, what you're saying. And he. He found me. I was actually over in the in the the pub having a few points and I was out in the smoking area and I thought I was safe enough because it's I live in a rural place, so they're kind of old and haggard and they're not really if they've seen you smoking weed, they would automatically think that you're a gangster, you know, and mastermind criminal. Just because you have a fucking 50 bag in your pocket, you know. But I he came out and he was like, oh, I thought that was one of the I thought up was the young lads after being in because it was wafting kind of in, I didn't realise but it was kind of being sucked through and sent into the pub.
Green Beard (00:46:33) - So everybody kind of got a bit of a smell of it, but there was only about 2 or 3 people in there, so I was okay. We came out running out, think there were so many. He was like, Oh, I didn't know you smoked. Sure, yeah. Only waster smoke weed, smoked a dope is why he called. And I was I had a good conversation with him afterwards, like and we had a good talk and he was he couldn't get over the fact that, like, I have smoked weed for like over 20 years. I've smoked it consistently nearly every day.
Chad (00:47:01) - You should be dead.
Green Beard (00:47:02) - Well, that's why he thinks murder.
Marge (00:47:04) - Drops on you or something. I don't know. That's what.
Green Beard (00:47:07) - He thinks. But I had a great conversation with him, and then I was telling him I'm talking to him about CBD, and I was explaining to him about my dog and the dog's been really, really bad. We thought he was coming to his end where after staking him onto CBD, I should have fucking put him on so long ago.
Green Beard (00:47:22) - But it's so expensive over here, you know. No, it was work out for a hundred meals is like £120 for like a 750 milligram tentative firm. You know, it's. And that would only last me a month. It's really expensive over here for them and I have them on it now. And jeez, he's running around. He's like a puppy again. Yeah, it's unbelievable to change. And I was showing him just those videos and I was telling him about things. Obviously, I can't tell anybody about our my involvement in the in the game or even in the activism side of it, because people wouldn't understand it. You know, you have to be you have to go under an alias here. As soon as I don't have to, I won't be able. And. Yeah, no, he he couldn't get over the fact that you can be a really productive, successful person and smoke weed. Well said. He's never seen it. He's only ever seen. But his experience has only been with teenagers.
Green Beard (00:48:27) - Yeah, that's.
Marge (00:48:28) - That's never a good comparison because, I mean, there are sometimes lazy anyway. Yeah, it's just a weird time of life. So, you know, and I think the stigma will change, obviously over time. It's people like us. It will win hearts and minds and convince people that, hey, you can be a productive person and, you know.
Green Beard (00:48:46) - Hopefully.
Marge (00:48:47) - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Green Beard (00:48:49) - It is a fucking great bit of fun and crack on the way as well, like, you know?
Chad (00:48:54) - Exactly. Yeah.
Marge (00:48:55) - So the only problem with that is that when you're sort of working on a one case by case basis, it can be really slow. So that's the only drawback. But that's okay. So I guess my next question for you, Chad, would be because you've probably heard or seen it all, is what's the worst advice that you hear being dispensed as far as maybe growing or what's the worst advice that you see?
Chad (00:49:19) - Well, the worst advice in general is people, again, just saying it has to be this particular way.
Chad (00:49:26) - And that could go from anything from medium choice to drying. Because again, the answer is it depends always. It depends. Um, you know, if you're in a really low humidity area, you might want to leave some of those big leaves on. If you're in a high humidity area, you'll want to take those off before drying. So what is the right answer? It depends. So that in general, one of my favorite pieces of advice, uh, was on a forum that I saw, and the person took it seriously for a little bit until other people got on and said, No, don't do it. But a guy was complaining about having to raise his lights and his plants were just growing and somebody got in there. He's like, Bro, the answer is not to raise the lights, it's to lower the floor. And he, like, laid out how to, like, cut out the subfloor and like, make all this stuff. And I'm just like, No, no way.
Chad (00:50:27) - That's that's my favorite ever.
Marge (00:50:29) - Well, that's.
Chad (00:50:30) - Yeah, he was calling, but in a very, uh, smart way, like it was well laid out. Like you would think this person was serious if you didn't understand the concept of a troll. And I don't think the person asking the question did because they asked a few questions and they were kind of carrying on. And then we're like, Yeah.
Green Beard (00:50:51) - You write it in such a way that it's, Well, right.
Chad (00:50:54) - Because, I mean, then you just have this system, it just goes up and down and, uh.
Marge (00:50:59) - That sounds pretty, pretty inventive. Which also goes to show that sometimes you have to watch whose advice you take. And if it's somebody in a random random forum and it sounds a little too good to be true or outrageous, it probably is. It's not going to work. So yeah, that's a that is some pretty terrible advice. I would say probably some of the bro science falls into that category as well.
Marge (00:51:21) - Maybe dropping a flaw is bro science. I don't know. But.
Chad (00:51:24) - Right. Well, I mean, you know, sticking the the nail through the spike or the stem at the end, it's like well people it'll increase this and this because it's a stressor. Yes. Stressors do increase cannabinoids and terpene sometimes but they're controlled and they're not that right you know. Yeah. So yeah.
Green Beard (00:51:45) - Ice on the soil. That's my favorite. Which one drives me crazy? I don't know why when people dump ice cubes on their soil and you know what? To make the purples or simulate winter or something. Like what? Ty Plant has a winter, you know, like, just simple is the genetics, you know? Yeah. You know.
Chad (00:52:05) - Sometimes you can get purple if you lock out some of the phosphorus and sometimes if the root zone gets cold and it's not up taking or it stays wet, then you get a nature phosphorus lockout. But. Great. Yeah. Genetics. So. No. Yeah. The ice on there.
Chad (00:52:26) - I don't think it's working, but if there was a mechanism behind it, you're just locking out phosphorus. You could do that other ways than dumping ice on it.
Marge (00:52:32) - Right, Right. Save yourself the time, people. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Chad, what would surprise people about you?
Chad (00:52:40) - Well, it's surprise people. That's a good question. I don't. I don't really know what would be surprised. I love, like classical music. I like walks on the beach. I have a little dog. You know.
Marge (00:52:56) - Those are all surprising things.
Chad (00:52:58) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's. That's a tough question.
Marge (00:53:04) - Well, I like your answers honestly. Like the classical music. You don't find a lot of people probably in the cannabis space, openly talking about classical music because it seems like such a elitist thing. Maybe for whatever reason. I don't know. I do enjoy classical music myself from time to time because it's super relaxing. But do you have any like go to composer that you like to chill out to or.
Chad (00:53:26) - I like Tchaikovsky, which is awesome. You know, Mozart, some of the classical classic classics. Yeah. You know, I can't really recite any of their their pieces, but it's just fun to have on. And it goes back to, you know, my audio engineering and my music career. I was a DJ, so like drum and bass, but just electronic music in general because not everybody knows drum and bass, but it's all very mathematical and so is classical. And there's also this thing called like call and response. It's like, you know, it's a long wait, wait, wait, wait. It's like the call and the response of like, instruments. And you get that with classical music as well. It's like there's so many similarities between the two, but they're so different that I don't think people really dive into either or or both worlds. But yeah, I love it, man, because music like gardening, you'll never know it all. So right. That's the beauty.
Marge (00:54:24) - Even if you're a huge classical music buff, I would imagine there's endless amounts you can listen to very relaxing and there is a reason they often put on classical music.
Marge (00:54:33) - If you're doing like a clinical psychedelic experience because there's so many layers to it. It's very nuanced and it's interesting music that people probably don't give it enough to. So great answer, Chad. I really like that. Now, would you be able to predict I'm going to ask for some predictions here. I was going to say 5 or 50 years, but things can change so much in 50 years. So screw that. But what do you think the industry is going to look like in five years?
Chad (00:55:00) - In five years, I think in the United States will still be toying with federalism, federal legalization, really. We won't be there.
Marge (00:55:10) - Five years.
Chad (00:55:11) - Still. Yeah, it'll still be on the cusp like it feels like it is today. But I think globally we're going to see more markets open. You know, Germany's coming soon. Surrounding companies or surrounding countries will kind of adopt similar programs. I think we'll see more of that. I think the UN will have to take a closer look at it within the next five years.
Chad (00:55:37) - As far as import export, how do we handle this as a I'm doing air quotes right now for air quotes controlled substances. So once that gets revisited to I think the US will kind of move in step with that because the US really is the one responsible for all these like drug laws around the world because we wouldn't give you money if you didn't suppress this. So I think we'll we'll try to save face and we'll do it around the time that the world opens up to it. Interesting. 50 years. It's going to be a commodity. It's going to be like corn. It's going to be, you know, whatever.
Marge (00:56:19) - Like another culinary ingredient. I've had some people say that you go to Thailand, it's like it's like using basil in your cooking or whatever. It's just a thing. Yeah. And we'll wonder why we were so upset about it for so long. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Have you changed your mind about anything in the last few years?
Chad (00:56:40) - Um, regarding cannabis, that. Yeah, there are.
Chad (00:56:45) - There's a lot of good people that are working on the small craft level. It looked like it was getting just more and more corporate, more and more bought out, you know, the death of the mom and pop and to an extent that that is true. But there's also this resurgence of people wanting to save and preserve genetics, and those people are working on it. So. You know, I'm. Surprised or I hope that they will make a comeback. And I think that they will. And I kind of lost the question in that thought. I'm sorry. Just if.
Marge (00:57:24) - That's okay. Just if you've changed your mind about anything in the past the last few years.
Chad (00:57:31) - Oh, yes. Yes. So thank you for putting me back on track. Yeah, the there is there is hope. You know, there is hope. I don't think it's going to be as bad as we predicted because, again, federal legalization is what we need. An open market is what we need that will allow craft to enter and to survive, because we're always going to have the big you know, Budweiser is the analogy people always make.
Chad (00:57:55) - There's always going to be that. There's always going to be people who don't really necessarily care about the quality. They just want it affordable and predictable effects. Right.
Marge (00:58:04) - So you're saying there's hope for the craft grower and the smaller players that bring us that beautiful bud that we we all love? Yes. Yes. Okay. What about you, too? What about you, Chase? Is there anything that you've changed mind about in the last few years?
Green Beard (00:58:19) - Oh, yeah. Honestly, like Chad and I seem to see eye to eye on almost everything.
Marge (00:58:25) - Well, like, mine's like mine's are in the room.
Green Beard (00:58:28) - You know, it's a hard question because it's like, not something I didn't actually think about these questions too much before the right now. Um, and it's not something I'm like, oh, why did I change my mind, you know? But I would completely agree with Chad sentiment that, you know, the craft aspect of our industry is kind of proliferating. And people not only like they realize the Budweiser and stuff out there, but like and, you know, grain of salt.
Green Beard (00:58:56) - My experience comes from maybe probably a small microcosm of the social media people as well as working in the industry and seeing kind of what we're developing is products and what seems to be coming down the pipeline and those kind of things combined. But it seems like there is a desire for some legitimate or just, I guess, legitimacy as well as even to go further, you know, old school like classic genetics and stuff to to be very specific. But a lot of those classic genetics aren't in the in the market right now for for reasons of you know like Romulan take for example it's so small yielding the buds are little it's maybe a little bit tougher to to grow than other stuff. So no producer wants to do it. But everybody that like you tell anybody like I have Romulan here and they're like, Yeah, give me that Romulan you know, they want that shit. And so people like the same goes for Rock Star, the same goes for like time warp and all these things that people remember from, you know.
Green Beard (01:00:01) - Their youth, I guess retro is in. So absolutely That coupled with the actual the fact that this stuff is actually good, not just, you know, to use an example, cookies, you know, hybrids of cookies and cousins of brothers and sisters and mothers all together, which is essentially what it is, which is good. It's just it's not different. It's not exceptional, it's not unique. So that's coming. I think. I think people want that. So I completely was like cynical before for good reason. And but now it seems like the market is maturing.
Marge (01:00:36) - It just needed a bit of time perhaps. So what about you, JB? Have you changed your mind about anything in the past few years?
Green Beard (01:00:42) - Um, I have kind of, and there's I do think in the next five years we will have a. More medical system than similar to Canada and some of the other states. I can't just say Canada in in general, because you can't say the states either, because everywhere is different, you know, and we are going to I think we have a bill Gino Kenny, he's a TD and that would be like a congressman or an MP or things like that.
Green Beard (01:01:19) - And he, he's put a bill forward now to give us a more open system that you can just go to a normal GP, you know, and they'd be able to do it. We we will have home grow but only like six plants or something like that or four plants. But it's something, you know, it means then that they, they would charge it, but it would mean that poor people or people that just want to fucking grow their own medicine, you know, we'll be able to have the privilege of doing it and they won't have to rely on shoddy stuff that we have seen in the past that has been sold and even even in the legal markets. And remember, there was was a big molting and a lot of weed over in Canada not so long ago you were talking about. Yeah, there was.
Marge (01:02:06) - I think a couple of years ago, maybe now, but.
Green Beard (01:02:08) - It could have been years ago. Yeah.
Green Beard (01:02:10) - Yeah.
Marge (01:02:11) - I mean, that made it to the news anyway. Who knows what happens? That doesn't make it to the news.
Marge (01:02:16) - But yeah.
Green Beard (01:02:17) - I do think that we will have have some sort of a proper medical system over here now and then we're having a citizens assembly as well. That should come up and that's where it's 100 citizens come together and they have a discussion about it. So we'll see if that goes in favor. Then the government have to act on it and they have to do a referendum, a vote on the outcome of this. So like I say, if you get more people who are in favor of, well, the world, the sky hasn't fallen down and I need the rest of the countries to have recreation. So if we have more of those open minded people, well, we could be in a different, very different situation in the next five years.
Marge (01:02:59) - Right. A lot can happen in five years. Yeah. Or nothing can happen to you. You just never know.
Green Beard (01:03:04) - But I've been saying it for 20 years. Oh, we'll have legalization within five years. We all will have it within five years.
Green Beard (01:03:10) - I know people who are saying a fucking ten years longer than me and 20 years longer than me, so.
Marge (01:03:14) - But you know, we used to say that here in Canada too. And then when Justin Trudeau got in, it seemed like pretty sudden. Like it was like we had no kind of plans for it. And then he developed this campaign platform to included it. And then we had legal weed and we just kind of figuring it out ever since. So, you know, you never know. Like I said, a lot can happen or nothing at all.
Green Beard (01:03:33) - But we thought we would have had that because like we had the force openly gay prime minister and right our shock to come into power there. Well ten years ago or so it could have been more. But yeah, no, it didn't happen. Then the next crowd, they ain't going to bring it in on their own. They'll have to be told to do because the next crowd that go in is going to be Sinn Fein. They're the ones that are going to win it next.
Green Beard (01:04:01) - They have history that goes back to the troubles and things. A different party was a Northern party and but they have things where they were supposedly fucking sold drugs and sold guns and things to support their cause and they're big against it and oh no, no, no. You can't have they don't oppose cannabis things, but they won't bring it forward. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. Well because they don't want to. Yeah. They don't want to be seen as the party who that all they only care for the criminals and the, the things that's, that's what they want and it's a really good party like they have such and the policies and things that they have for the working people. Yeah, that's there. They outdo every other party. But that's politics. We won't talk politics. That's right. We're here for weed.
Marge (01:04:55) - Maybe you need to get them invited to this citizen's assembly that you were talking about so you can open their hearts and minds as well and show them that, yeah, some donors really look like.
Marge (01:05:05) - Which is not lazy. Yeah. So do any of you happen to have a quote that you like to live your life by or think of often?
Green Beard (01:05:16) - Yes.
Marge (01:05:18) - Yes. Okay. By all means, go ahead. Or if you need a minute, I do have one prepared, but.
Green Beard (01:05:24) - And mine is, um. Oh, God. I can't fucking think of who it was. Me. And what did you get? Watch it. Life is what you get. Basically. It's life is what you get with what you are. You reap what you sow, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. Give me a second.
Chad (01:05:44) - Is. Is it. Life is like a box of chocolates. No, no, no. Okay. I was just joking. I know that one.
Green Beard (01:05:53) - Oh, yeah.
Green Beard (01:05:54) - I'll get it here. So you. You continue on. It's good.
Marge (01:05:58) - No, it doesn't have to be a weird quote, that's for sure. It doesn't know what it is.
Green Beard (01:06:02) - It's a quote that I actually have. I'm going to jump on to the old farm on the parishes because it's a quote that I have on the bottom of writing. It's it's and it's I can't remember that word for word, but. Right. It's it's the way I do everything. It's I well.
Marge (01:06:19) - I do have one myself that I like to try and live my life by. I think it was by Maya Angelou. And she said people won't remember what you said, but they will remember how you made them feel. And I always try to remember that because it's so true. You don't our memories are shit. And, you know, and it's memory is a funny thing. And you don't remember specific conversations, but you do remember how you go for coffee with a friend or something or whatever you're doing, and you remember the feeling that you have after interacting with somebody. And sometimes, you know, you can feel really filled up and nourished by that conversation, relationship, whatever, or you can feel really drained too.
Marge (01:06:56) - So hoping to bring, hoping to bring the nourishment to my, my interactions. But yeah.
Chad (01:07:02) - So that's very that's a good one and very true hearing it in that context. So that's awesome. Yeah, I did. I had a couple as well there. I kind of had two just because I'm like, well, it's kind of like shifted in life when I was younger and I don't know who said this, but it's like we judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing while others judge us for what we've already done. And I may have been, you know, a little bit of a, again, air quotes podcast people a screw up when I when I was younger. But it's like I, you know, I matured and grew out of that, but I was still kind of being thought of as that person. So that one applied then and then the other one that, that I like now or that, you know, I think of a lot or try to quote it's a Martin Luther King Junior quote and it says the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in the moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at the times of challenge.
Chad (01:08:02) - And.
Marge (01:08:03) - Right.
Chad (01:08:04) - Because it's nice to be or it's easy to be a nice person when everything's going well, but when life is shitting on you and you, you know, you're presented with the situation, how do you react? So right, that's that.
Marge (01:08:18) - Is more.
Chad (01:08:18) - Telling for sure.
Marge (01:08:19) - Yeah. Because I don't know if any of you saw that new documentary with Jonah Hill and his psychiatrist on Netflix called Stutz. I think it's actually really it's worth a watch. But the psychiatrist talks about the three constants in life, which is pain, uncertainty and constant work. And I think that quote really applies to that because. Yeah. Just when things start to go smoothly, something happens in life. I mean, change and pain. Those are definitely constants, right? Exactly. Not death and taxes, I think. Yeah.
Green Beard (01:08:55) - I can't see actually, I can't even tell you what the quote was. Sarah, because he removed so.
Marge (01:09:01) - Oh, well, that's all right. We we got the gist of it.
Marge (01:09:04) - What about you? Do you have anything that you sort of like to. Yeah. To guide by.
Green Beard (01:09:10) - Oh, yeah. I mean, I grew up in, like, you know, the late 90s to early 2000 was kind of my coming of age type era. And there's a movie called Joe Dirt. I am familiar and you know, I realize now that the quote you got to keep on keeping on is actually from Steve Miller band. I forget which song, but it's he says it in one of the lyrics there. But yeah, basically, you know, life's a garden dig it. You got to keep on keeping on those. Those are those covers so much, you know, And basically it kind of goes to what, what you were saying about, you know, life kind of does suck. There's suffering and pain and all this, but it's a constant. And we got to realize that everybody's going through this, not just us so don't like. Just wallow in your own kind of stuff.
Green Beard (01:10:07) - It's not saying don't be sad about stuff, but like, you know, there's always going to be the light. Um, and then like, you know, my whole ethos of my, my symbolism and my, my, my symbol thing or whatever with the squared circle that comes from hermetic mysticism and, you know, the as above, so below type thing, which I think is, is good to live by in all aspects. You know, it's a fractal kind of thing goes with the plant. You know, the roots are happy, the plant is happy. And with the microbes and everything, you know, as we are in the bottom. So it goes the top kind of thing. And then with specifically to weed, not so dog said something on a pot. I can't remember which episode it was on Breeder Syndicate. But he said, Girl, what you like, breed what you like, you know, and I really appreciate that because there's so many people are just whacking things together trying to make a name for themselves on Instagram or, you know, hype this and that.
Green Beard (01:11:12) - So yeah, don't, don't buy into that. Just find something you like, make it yours. And if you like it, probably other people like it too. So. Right.
Marge (01:11:24) - Yeah, those are all great. And I always like to also remind myself and I think I can't remember who told me this before, but sometimes, no matter how shitty things are or how great things are, there's always, always somebody out there who would kill to live the life that you're living. And I think it's important to remember that because, yeah, there's a lot of pain and suffering out there. So yeah. Now, not to leave this on a very philosophical note or anything like that, but is there anything that you're working on, Chad? I mean, you obviously have a lot on your plate. You have this awesome new podcast and I'll be linking to all of your work in the show notes so people can find it easily and check it out themselves. But is there anything else that you're excited about for this coming year that you have going on.
Chad (01:12:08) - This coming year? Definitely. You know, diving into season two of the dope history, getting to talk to breeders, because again, I love genetics, I love seeds, I love the lineage of these things because I remember a time before anything had a name and then slowly got names. And now we all know what the names are now. Right? But so there's that. I'm also going to restart my home grow show. I did a home grow show on SCP oh two, which was the sister channel. A future cannabis project did that for about a year and a half and then kind of stopped to focus on other things. But my heart is really with the home grower. My heart is really getting the new person growing, the person on the fence or the person who needs their medicine. So that's really where my heart is. So I'm excited to get the Home Grow show started again. And it's it's probably just going to be every other week for now because again, you know, time commitment.
Chad (01:13:07) - But yeah, that's I'm excited for that because that's that's my passion.
Marge (01:13:12) - When are you hoping to have that start like start that up again.
Chad (01:13:17) - In a couple of weeks, I'm hoping February 11th and then the 25th and then again March 11th, 25th, and then April. I'm off to Amsterdam. Oh, nice. But I still need to sign up for Streamyard and get that set up and trial streaming through YouTube. But yeah, that's, that's when I hope to get it right.
Marge (01:13:38) - Well, when you have links for that ready to go, let me know because by the time this podcast episode comes out, I'm sure it'll already be live so people can check that out by the time they're listening to this. And yeah, I mean, you obviously have a wealth of knowledge to share with people who want to grow great cannabis at home. So thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Chad (01:13:56) - I appreciate that. And it'll be the, the Chad Westport YouTube channel. So that's where you can find.
Marge (01:14:02) - Easy to find.
Marge (01:14:02) - Yeah, it should be. Yeah. All right. Well, I want to be cognizant of your time, and I'm really grateful, actually, that Chase and Green Beard, you could both join me today for this conversation with Chad. And I just want to say thank you. And I hope that the listeners have Bite Me, learned something today and found some excellent new content to listen to when they're not listening to Bite Me. The show about edibles, of course. And yeah, just want to say thanks for joining me today.
Chad (01:14:26) - Yeah. Thank you.
Green Beard (01:14:28) - For having us. Will I leave you with a banger because I remembered my quote? Right?
Chad (01:14:33) - All right.
Green Beard (01:14:35) - It's don't judge each day, but a harvest you reap by the seeds that you plant.
Marge (01:14:41) - Very nice. Very nice. And on that note, thank you so much, everyone. And we'll talk to you soon. What a great conversation. I seriously believe that Chad is one of the nicest guys in cannabis and I hope you enjoyed that conversation I had with Chad Chase and Green Beard.
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