From Engineering to Edibles with Peichen Chang

Marge (00:00:01) - In this week's episode, I'm thrilled to be joined by Patron Chang, c e o and co-founder of T Check. Welcome to the Faces of Cannabis interview series, where we take a break from talking about edibles and focus on the people behind the plant, whether it's fellow podcasters, bud tenders, gojis, advocates, cultivators, cannabis lovers, all have their stories to share. And I want to share them with you. Hello, friends. Welcome. I'm really looking forward to this conversation that you're about to hear. And whether you are a first-time listener or you've been here for a while, I appreciate your support in joining me here today. Now, Paige Chang is a true cannabis change maker helping to destigmatize the plant, a journey he came to in an unexpected way. He has seen firsthand how cannabis can help improve the lives of those around him. And he used his engineering background to help create a device that has changed the game with regards to testing your cannabis, your infusions at home.

Marge (00:01:05) - He has some pretty interesting things to say, and I think you're going to enjoy this conversation with Patron. So, without further ado, let's get into it all. Write up a everyone. Today I am really pleased to be joined by Patron and I just wanted to say welcome to Bite Me, the show about edibles. And this is part of a special series I do called Faces of Cannabis, so that we can branch outside a little bit of just talking about edibles because there's lots of the world of cannabis. And to get started, patron, why don't you introduce yourself to the audience and talk to us about what cannabis means to you.

Peichan (00:01:42) - Hi, uh, thanks for having me on the show. Um, so my name is Pat Chang. I'm the, uh, CEO and co-founder of a company called T Check. Um, we make a little device that that actually helps edible makers figure out how strong their brownie is or how strong their butter is so that they can figure out how strong their brownie is gonna be. Um, now I kind of got into this whole thing cuz you know, a friend of ours came to us asking for help. You know, she was, um, using edibles to treat her Parkinson's and she was having difficulties figuring out how strong her edibles were and she had it, you know, tested on herself. So, you know, we as engineers, we came up with a dev a device that can help her with that kind of thing. And so, you know, since that, that beginning, you know, I've learned that cannabis is, you know, really all about healing more than anything else. Right. And so, you know, to me cannabis is really about healing, making yourself better.

Marge (00:02:36) - All right. I would totally agree. And you mentioned self-testing that this friend of yours that was testing, uh, potency on herself. I think anybody who has ever enjoyed edibles at any point in their lives has had to do that. And that's a pretty scary thing a lot of the times just because it was really totally a shot in the dark. So I have to say thank you for creating this device, cuz it certainly makes, takes the guesswork out of making edibles at home for sure. Um, yeah. You

Peichan (00:03:04) - Know, yeah. You, sorry. Uh, the, the thing is, you know, after I got into it, I learned that a lot of people, you know, I didn't know this before, but a lot of people, you know, really use cannabis to treat some kind of medical condition. And, um, and these are not just, you know, your classic potheads if you will. You know, these are regular professional people Right. You know, whether it be accountants or you know, lawyers or, you know, whatever. And, um, and you know, this helps them get on what they're doing right. And do what they do to, you know, make the whole world a better place.

Marge (00:03:35) - Right. And I would totally agree because I have learned one thing from doing this podcast, and that's cannabis users come from all walks of life. And sometimes it's the most surprising people that are, are using cannabis and as part of their daily routine. And that old stereotype of the lazy stoner does not apply. And I'm hoping that by this show I can really show people that that, you know, the stigma that is associated with cannabis is ridiculous because it really does help a lot of people get through their day. Now, as far as you are concerned, you mentioned that you are the c e o of c o o of t check. Can you talk a little bit more about what a day in the life of A C O O looks like?

Peichan (00:04:17) - A actually I'm the ceo O so , sorry. No, CEO.

Marge (00:04:19) - O I'm so sorry. . Oh

Peichan (00:04:21) - Yeah. Um, so , um, the day in the Life, oh boy, it, it's, it really is like whackamole. Okay. Um, right. Um, you know, and, and kind of, you know, in a twisted squared away, that's actually what keeps the job interesting. Uh, because there's sort of a new problem to solve every day, right. Whether it be marketing or supply chain or personnel or engineering or finance or, you know, whatever. Right. And so I end up having to, I got good at context switching, um, and, and you know, I've gotta do that so many times a day just to, uh, you know, to figure out, okay, well what, what's the next biggest fire? What's the next biggest uh, problem that, that, you know, we gotta solve? You know, I'd say fortunately, you know, the company now is in a, in a place where the challenges are not, um, about how to stay alive, you know? Cause at beginning of the company I was like, okay, how do we keep the lights on tomorrow? Uh, but rather it's, it's really about how, you know, how do we make a better product? How do we go faster? That, that sort of thing. Um, right.

Marge (00:05:24) - You

Peichan (00:05:24) - Know? Yeah.

Marge (00:05:26) - So how long have you been doing this for? I know I've had my own, I've owned a t check for like long before I think I started the podcast. How long has T Check been around for?

Peichan (00:05:35) - T check's been around for seven and a half years now. Uh, well, the company started about seven and a half years ago. We, it took us about a year and a half-ish of r and d before we were able to ship our first product. So yeah, something like that.

Marge (00:05:46) - So are you a an engineer by background then, and that's how you're able to go from your friend that was self-testing to an actual product to market?

Peichan (00:05:55) - Yes, for sure. For sure. Yeah. So my happy place is, uh, is in the lab, um, you know, doing engineering stuff, right? Um, yeah, ,

Marge (00:06:04) - Right, right. Because it's not a, it's not like a simple device. I had Parker on the show before who I believe works at T Check and mm-hmm. , he was saying it's a mass spectrometer and this is like a mass spectrometer for a home user. It sounds incredibly complex.

Peichan (00:06:21) - Yeah. Yeah. It, it sure is. Um, you know, it, one, one of my, the things I like to say is, um, it's actually really hard to make something easy.

Marge (00:06:29) - Right? .

Peichan (00:06:30) - Okay. And so we, and it

Marge (00:06:32) - Always is, isn't it? Yeah,

Peichan (00:06:33) - Exactly. And we had to take this idea of a spectometer, which is, you know, a, a lab instrument that usually, you know, you know, chemists and, you know, PhD tech people use and turn it into something that, you know, an average person can use. And it was, it's been difficult.

Marge (00:06:47) - Right. So you mentioned you've been in operations for seven and a half years mm-hmm. . And you did mention that you've had challenges and those challenges have changed a little bit over time. What are some of the challenges that you've had to overcome in, in running this company? Oh,

Peichan (00:07:03) - Boy. Uh, there, there, there have been a, a lot of challenges o over time. Um, uh, you know, you know, building a company is hard, right? Um, building a hardware company is hard because, harder because there's physical inventory, all that sort of thing, right? Supply chain. I mean, you can't, you know, cut last couple of years through Covid. You can't turn the radio on without hearing about supply chain somewhere. Um mm-hmm. . And then, but building a hardware company in the cannabis base, uh, cannabis space takes a little extra crazy, uh, to wanna dive into it. And, you know, some, some of the things associated with cannabis is it's, it's difficult. Like, you know, getting a bank account was not easy. Getting insurance is not easy, right? I mean, even though our company doesn't really, we don't sell cannabis at all, right. Cannabis nor, but the fact that, and we sell a trauma. Okay. Um, but as soon as we say, Hey, you know, our customers are in the cannabis space, oh boy, people go running for the hills in a, in a really big hurry. I mean, I've had, you know, musicians turn me down. It's, it's crazy.

Marge (00:08:08) - Really. Wow. So some of the biggest challenges you've had are just even the basics of running a company only because you're cannabis adjacent.

Peichan (00:08:16) - Yes,

Marge (00:08:16) - Yes. I mean, unfortunately, I'm not surprised to hear that because I've talked to lots of cannabis folks running all kinds of different businesses in this space, and that seems to be a very common theme, which is kind of ridiculous in my mind, but you're persevering, so I'm very happy to see that. And all your users are happy to see that too. I'm sure. Has it gotten any easier over the last seven years?

Peichan (00:08:36) - Most definitely.

Marge (00:08:37) - As far as that goes. Yeah.

Peichan (00:08:39) - Mo most definitely. And, and I'm a little bit fortunate to live here in California, right? Um, where, right. Uh, cannabis has always been a little bit more, um, accepted, if you will. Um, so, um, you know, seven years ago, you know, when I told my friends that, you know, Hey, I'm getting into the cannabis space, you know, they kind of raise their eyebrows like, you, you know, cuz um, , I, I grew up on a military base in Japan. Okay. So, you know about as conservative possibly, man. And they're like, you're getting into cannabis, are you, you serious here? Right? And I'm like, yeah, yeah. Um, uh, um, but nowadays, you know, the discussion is like, Ooh, cool, you're in the cannabis base. Awesome. You know, so tell me more. Right. So people are much more willing to talk,

Marge (00:09:23) - Right? Yeah. And I mean, you mentioned growing up on a military base in Japan, in Japan is, I don't know much about, uh, cannabis culture in Japan at all. Is it widely accepted or is it pretty much, I shouldn't say widely accepted, I'm sure it's not accepted at all, but is there any kind of cannabis culture in Japan?

Peichan (00:09:40) - Uh, no, there isn't. Well, well how about this, right? If, if there, there is, but it's very, very underground. I mean, you know, cuz you know, uh, US military, Japan, all that, if you get caught with cannabis there, you know, as a kid, you don't go to jail. You get deported . Okay. Oh, wow.

Marge (00:09:55) - Okay. . Yeah.

Peichan (00:09:56) - So it it's kinda a big deal though,

Marge (00:09:58) - Right? Yeah. That's as serious as it gets, I suppose, . Yeah. Um, now you've been doing this for a while and you've been in business for a while. Do you have any failures or parent failures that you felt really set you up for later success in your business?

Peichan (00:10:14) - You know, um, not a, any one failure because, um, you know, that old cliche, you know, fell forward, uh, that kind of thing. Mm-hmm. , uh, it, it's actually kind of true, right? Um, so the thing I did learn is, and it's been really hard for me, right? Um, is you, you gotta give yourself a little bit of latitude to mess up, right? Because, you know, as, as as ceo, um, you know, everybody kinda just looks to you, uh, for guidance or for direction or for or for whatever, right? And it feels like you have to have all the answers all the time. And that's just simply, uh, not true. Um, so, um, you know, you gotta give yourself, it's okay for you to fail, right? It's easy for me to say, yeah, you know, the, the team and stuff, you guys make a mistake. That's okay, we'll learn and move on. Right? But it's, it's actually hard to give yourself that opportunity as well.

Marge (00:11:08) - Right. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I just wanted to ask about that because a lot of people feel like, oh, if they fail at something, that means it's the end. But a lot of the times you learn and you grow from those experiences, and as you said, fail forward. It just goes to show that even the most successful of us out there have had those, you know, I don't know what to say, blight in their past , for lack of a better thing. But those are, that's where the growth comes from most of the time. Yeah. Is the failures, not necessarily the successes. Yeah. Have you changed your mind about anything in the last few years?

Peichan (00:11:40) - Well, uh, my attitude towards cannabis take took a massive change when I got into it years ago, , right? When my, uh, when my friend came to, to us and said, Hey, you know, I cannot use some help here. Uh, and I'm like, wait, you're a cannabis user. And, and so that was probably a tectonic shift in, in, in my view of the world, right? Because, you know, I really was raised in saying, you know, cannabis is the devil weed, or whatever it's called, right? The Devil's Cabbage or something. And, and, um, right. And, and so that was something that, that I really had to overcome first. Right. And that was probably the most massive change ever.

Marge (00:12:19) - That's incredible to hear, really, because I mean, you're saying that you weren't really a cannabis consumer before you started this company, and then you had a friend who was like, I need some help. Mm-hmm. , and then you changed your mind and started a cannabis company that is helping so many people. I mean, that is a massive shift. Amazing. Was there anything in particular that really helped you sort of overcome that cultural conditioning? Because I had the same thing. I grew up with the DARE programs in Canada and all kinds of, you know, propaganda, if you will, about the evils of cannabis. So I'm, I was certainly exposed to that same kind of ideology as well.

Peichan (00:12:55) - So the, the biggest thing was, uh, who this person was, because she's a consummate professional, right? Um, you know, buttoned down suits executive and all that kind of stuff. I'm like, wait, you really? And, uh, that was beyond eye-opening, right? Because that, that completely shifted my mind up. Wow. I would've never imagined in a million years you're a quote unquote hothead a stoner. Um, and that to me, that was, that was completely eye-opening. And then, so that was sort of the gate, the crack in the door. And so I started talking to other people who use cannabis, and I'm like, holy cow, this is not all about just getting around getting stoned. It was all about how do make, how do I make myself feel bad? I mean, I've spoken with, um, you know, veterans I that have used cannabis to control their ptsd. I've talked to parents who've used the cannabis, um, to help control, you know, epilepsy and the children I've talked, talked to, um, you know, people who, who, who use cannabis because, you know, they're in cancer treatment. I mean, you know, that, that mm-hmm. that made all the difference in the world.

Marge (00:14:09) - Right. And that totally makes sense. And like you said, that first little crack of the door and then you start to see how many people cannabis is helping and how many interesting ways people are using it. Because, you know, we always think of cannabis users as the bong smokers or whatever, but I know lots of people who just microdosed a little bit of cannabis, and that's enough to get them through their day. And, and it varies so much how people, how people use it and how it helps them. Now, you mentioned sort of, you've had to really change your views to run this company, which totally makes sense. How would your parents describe what you do for a living?

Peichan (00:14:43) - Um, so, you know, military dad, , um, so he'd be tired. Uh, you know, his, his view on cannabis itself has also changed, you know, also helps that you lives in California Right? And sees the stuff around. Um, I would say the thing that, that, that, you know, uh, my parents kind of view is , why are you putting yourself through all the stress? Right? Because running a company is, is is hard, right? Uh, and no, not just hard on me, but it's, it's been hard on my family too, right. You know, my wife has had to deal with, you know, a lot, right? You know, me working 120 hour weeks, that kind of thing. Uh, um, and so, um, you know, he sees that stress and says, you know, why are you doing yourself do this to, he is doing this to yourself. And that's why the biggest, you know, head scratcher for him maybe.

Marge (00:15:35) - Right. But they're pretty much okay with what you're doing

Peichan (00:15:38) - Oh, from the cannabis space. Totally. Okay. Totally. Okay. Right.

Marge (00:15:41) - Okay. That's, that's great to hear that you have support. Cause there's lots of people out there who still have parents that are maybe not so supportive any , you know, because they're also dealing with their own, you know, uh, stuff when it comes to cannabis. But is there a common misconception that you see about your work,

Peichan (00:16:00) - Um, you know, from the cannabis space, you know, that those, the general stigma of cannabis is definitely dispelling, right? Especially here in California. Right. Uh, , I would say a lot of times, um, the fact that I'm a ceo, e o of a company, people think, oh man, you're c e o you must be rolling in cash, right? Uh,

Marge (00:16:18) - Right.

Peichan (00:16:19) - Definitely not , right? Cause as founder and ceo, you're the last guy to get paid, right? Uh, and yeah, I'm not the guy, you know, sometimes I'm the lowest paid person in the company, .

Marge (00:16:31) - Right. That's pretty interesting because especially, you know, you read the news and you see the Jeff Bezos's and the Elon Musks and they're, you know, CEOs of these big companies and rolling in doe. But I mean, you are at the top, like you said, you have all the responsibility and, and, uh, I'm sure it's has its really difficult days. Yeah. Now, do you have any advice that you see that's being dispensed in your world that you consider poor advice that you wish would just stop

Peichan (00:17:00) - , uh, yeesh. Um, you know, the, the thing about that, that is, um, the advice that's, that's doing dispelled, right? It means different things to different people at, in, at, at different times. Okay. So what might be, you know, good advice for me might be very poor advice for you. Right? And so you sort of gotta take all the stuff and, and, and, and apply it to your own life and, and, you know, take what's good and sort of eject what's bad. So I tend to focus on the good advice ,

Marge (00:17:34) - Right? Yeah. Fair enough. Now, do you have a cannabis hero?

Peichan (00:17:38) - You know, I gotta say folks like yourself. Okay. Um, because being in the cannabis space is really means educating folks who are not in the cannabis space about what it means to be, you know, uh, cannabis consumers probably, you know, maybe one word for it, but maybe not, I don't know. Take, take it for you. Wash Wish, but it's all about education, right? And it's not about the mm-hmm. , the big names out there making headlines, you know, saying, oh, you know, we, this company does X, Y, Z, you know, and this company, this guy, you know, has lobbied at Capitol Hill about cannabis. It's about all the little conversations that, you know, folks have out there right. At the cafes or at the, you know, wherever saying, Hey, you know, cannabis is not a bad thing. Right. Just like that, that friend that, that opened that door for me. Right? Um, those are the people who are willing to stick their neck out there and say, Hey, I used cannabis and this is how it helps me. Right. It, it, it's not sometimes, you know, from that, that, that old me that conservative me, it's not an exactly easy thing to say.

Marge (00:18:49) - Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, like you said, you had that one friend of your, your, your friend that was, you know, very professional and she is the one that changed your heart and mind, and you just never know where that's gonna come from. And it is those little conversations that do make the difference. Because a lot of the times, those big names that you mentioned, they're kind of already preaching to the choir. They're talking to the people who are already convinced that cannabis is great and they're gonna keep using it, but mm-hmm. . Now, if you were sitting to a leading expert in your field, what would you ask them?

Peichan (00:19:17) - , uh, how do you build a better Spectometer? ,

Marge (00:19:23) - Right.

Peichan (00:19:23) - No, but seriously, it, it, it actually is that way. Um, you know, I can say that, you know, there's lots of leading, uh, expert, a lot of experts out there on, on cannabis, right? But at the end of the day, our company is building a measurement instrument. And so every day we're out there, our goal is to build a better instrument so that our users can have, you know, better measurements or, or something like that. So that actually it, it would be a scientist or an engineer .

Marge (00:19:50) - Right. So, because you're more like a technology company, I guess, in a lot of respects, not so much a cannabis company. Yeah, for sure. Is there anything that would surprise people about you?

Peichan (00:19:59) - Um, well, it certainly was a huge surprise, uh, you know, to, to all my friends when I entered the cannabis space. Okay. And that I was willing to, to take that gamble. Right. Um, and, um, I would say that that's probably the biggest thing. I mean, you know, I've been in it long enough now where all my friends and, and, and folks, they, they know what business I'm in. Uh, but certainly before it was a shock to them.

Marge (00:20:26) - Right. , I can share that. Yeah. I can imagine that. Uh, anytime you have that kind of massive shift and then you dive in a hundred percent with a business behind it as well, I mean, that would be very surprising. Mm-hmm. . Now, I mean, you've been in this business for, uh, several years now you're in California. What do you think the industry and the market's gonna look like in five year, five years?

Peichan (00:20:49) - Um, I'd rather say, what do I hope the industry's gonna be in five years? Right. ,

Marge (00:20:55) - How about That's that's fair.

Peichan (00:20:58) - Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of politics and stuff like that happening, but, uh, where I hope the industry will be in, in, in five years is, uh, the, the stigmatization of cannabis will continue decline. Um, I really do hope that, not just here in the United States, but you know, globally, that people start realizing what cannabis can do to make people's lives better, easier, you know, whatever. Right. I mean, my father-in-law, right? He, he, he's my wife is Japanese, so he, he lives in Japan. Cannabis is not okay there. Okay. He recently pulled us back, um, and, you know, I make this tincture for myself, right. Cuz you know, I'm getting old and I have all these aches and pains and stuff though mm-hmm. ,

Marge (00:21:35) - I make tin. Same here, .

Peichan (00:21:37) - Right. That, that I use for, for my joints, and it, it works wonders. Right. And I really, really wish that I can send some of this to him so that it can alleviate his pain. Right. So, you know, that, that's what I really wish for is, is, um, you know, just globally open it up. Right. Um, recognize that, that this thing can help people and allow it. Mm-hmm. ,

Marge (00:22:00) - Do you think it, like if he was to come visit you in the States, would he be open to trying something like that out? Or is he pretty staunchly not? Uh,

Peichan (00:22:07) - He'd be open to trying. In fact, um, uh, two nights ago, my wife was talking to him and he was like, Hey, tell you what, uh, can we just fly you over here so they can, you can use this to treat yourself? And he was actually open to that .

Marge (00:22:19) - Right. Well, I do find, it's interesting because edibles are a very safe entry point for a lot of people, cuz edibles also include topicals. So those folks, my own father, I've mentioned many times on this show, he was not cool with cannabis at all, most of my life until it became legal here in Canada. And now he's willing to test out, you know, edibles, very low dose edibles, uh, topicals. He's in his early nineties. So I feel like that's definitely a very safe foray and how a lot of people become more interested in it because they're like, wow, I have these aches and pains and this really helps it without, you know, harsh pharmaceuticals or much mm-hmm.

Peichan (00:22:58) -

Marge (00:22:59) - Serious types of, of remedies. So

Peichan (00:23:02) - Yeah. Definitely.

Marge (00:23:04) - Do you have a purchase of a hundred dollars or less that has most impacted your life in the last six months? , I always find this to be a very interesting question.

Peichan (00:23:12) - , actually, as crazy as it sounds, um, uh, I would say things like, uh, I, I recently bought, this might be silly, uh, a class on iPhone photography. Okay.

Marge (00:23:27) - Oh, really? Okay. Yeah.

Peichan (00:23:29) - Um, and, and, uh, you know, in, in my previous life, I, I, I love to, you know, take pictures and stuff and, and uh, you know, as I was building the company, um, a lot of hobbies get set by the wayside. Okay. Um, and, and, um, I've come to the realization that I gotta start investing in myself outside the company a little bit at times. Okay. Because it's, you know, a CEO is too easy to to to be focused on the company all the time mm-hmm. , and it, it, it's easy to forget that you have a life outside of work. And so, um, this, this, I don't know, it was like $80 class that I took, um, what, you know, said, okay, it's okay to have a hobby. Right. And it brings a little bit of balance back into my life.

Marge (00:24:24) - Right. That's a great answer. And I encourage everybody else to look for hobbies, cuz you're totally right. It's really easy to get consumed with what we do day after day, and that's a little bit of self-care right there.

Peichan (00:24:37) - Oh, for sure. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah.

Marge (00:24:39) - And also, I mean, ca like cell phone cameras are getting so much better now too. It's incredible what you can do with them, so mm-hmm.

Peichan (00:24:46) - . Yeah. Yeah.

Marge (00:24:49) - Now do you have a quote that you like to live your life by?

Peichan (00:24:53) - Um, uh, take the high road. Okay. Right. Um, you know, a as, uh, again, as ceo it's really, really easy to take shortcuts. Um, you know, whether it be in supply chain or HR or whatever. Okay. It's really easy to take shortcuts and so, but it's not the right thing to do. Okay. And so some of the decisions that we've made recently, uh, I guess over the last years, um, was difficult for the company, right? Because there was a product, um, I guess launch improvement, whatever you wanna call it, that we had to hold off for nearly a year because, um, ultimately we felt that the quality of it was not good enough. So we didn't launch it. Well, that cost us a lot of lunch. Okay. Um, and, but it, it was the right decision to do. So take the high road in my herd or take the high road. I think, I think Michelle Obama, in her book, I say, she always says, go high. Right. When somebody else goes low, you go high. Um, mm-hmm. , it's painful, but you gotta do it .

Marge (00:26:14) - Right. Well, and I think it usually pays off in the end as well. I mean, like you said, it might've cost you something before, but then you're putting out a product that people can rely on time after time. And I know for myself, I've had, like I said, I've had my t check for a while now and it feels weird to make an infusion and not use it because it creates so much doubt. Like, I just like having that assurance of knowing how strong something is that I'm going to be making. Especially if I'm gifting it to somebody. If I'm giving something to somebody I love, you know, I just don't want to give them a bad time. I'm trying to give them something that will, you know, give them a good time or alleviate some Yeah. Some issues. Yeah. Yeah.

Peichan (00:26:54) - Especially if they're new to cannabis. Right. Um, yeah. Cause if your first experience is not a positive one, it's, it's gonna impact you. Um, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Marge (00:27:04) - A hundred percent. Now is there anything that you're excited about that's coming up with t Check or anything about the company right now that

Peichan (00:27:12) - Is excited? , I wanna geek out . It's easy to geek out the engineering for this thing cuz we, we have all these, uh, cool ideas that are our engineering team is, is working on, uh, I probably shouldn't say it out loud on the air, so, um,

Marge (00:27:25) - Oh, come on . That sounds exciting.

Peichan (00:27:27) - No, it is exciting. Um, well we're, we're still a long ways off. We're probably over a year, year off from, from launching these product into market cuz uh, it involves some, you know, pretty fancy chemistry and, and some of those things. But, um, you know, for our company, our, our ultimate goal actually now for the company is actually not a cannabis testing company. Okay. Um, our, our larger goal really is getting into, um, you know, ag agriculture and food safety testing. Right? And so, okay, we're a handheld, uh, spectometer, there's a lot of stuff that, that we can do with it, right? We can test stuff besides cannabis. Um, and so those are the technologies, uh, our company are working on. And, um, you know, the engineering me loves that kind of stuff.

Marge (00:28:11) - Yeah. , I can tell just by the, the way that you're smiling right now. So tell all those that are listening that he's got a big smile on his face. So , I mean, it's always exciting when there's, when the work that you're doing lights you up. So I, it's really evident that what you're doing, you're excited about it, you're excited about he helping cannabis users and that there's potential to help a lot more people out there. So I just wanna say thank you, pat, for spending your time with me today and for doing what you do because again, t check has been an integral part of my own cannabis journey. I am primarily an edibles enthusiast and that's how I prefer to consume my cannabis. And I couldn't do it without t check. I've done the online calculators and all that kind of thing, and they do work to a degree, but not like this. So you are putting out a really valuable product in this space.

Peichan (00:28:56) - No, thank you very much.

Marge (00:28:58) - Pat is doing his part to make the world a better place. And it's not just through the device itself and what it allows people to do to test the potency of their flower, their infusions at home, but it's also the ethos that he brings to running the company. The take the high road mindset that I love to see and I love to promote because I think entrepreneurs like that who are making the world shine a little bit brighter in their way, it's so important to talk about and to celebrate. So I hope you enjoyed that conversation. As always, I will link to everything in the show notes, including the conversation that I had a little while back with Parker from T Check where we talk more about the device itself. Do you have any questions about it? It's worthwhile checking that out, that episode as well.

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